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	<title>Comments on: getting started &#8211; Attracting the BSF</title>
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	<description>Bio-Composting with Black Soldier Fly Larvae - Fascinating, Responsible and Rewarding</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-1952</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 14:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hillary,

It&#039;s easiest to culture BSF where they are natives, probably not the case in zone 4. In hot weather you should be able to raise a generation through at least one generation, but keeping them in the winter would require some special effort. Breeding them in cold areas is highly specialized. 

I expect this topic will be discussed quite a bit at our new forum as more people join.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hillary,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easiest to culture BSF where they are natives, probably not the case in zone 4. In hot weather you should be able to raise a generation through at least one generation, but keeping them in the winter would require some special effort. Breeding them in cold areas is highly specialized. </p>
<p>I expect this topic will be discussed quite a bit at our new forum as more people join.</p>
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		<title>By: HillaryN</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>HillaryN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible to raise a colony of BSF if I live in a zone 4?  Would I have to buy the larvae and start it that way?  This is very ineresting to me.  Are there any other sources for information on the BSF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to raise a colony of BSF if I live in a zone 4?  Would I have to buy the larvae and start it that way?  This is very ineresting to me.  Are there any other sources for information on the BSF?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi cylyntblu,

I&#039;m glad you learned about BSF, but keep in mind that the larvae you&#039;re seeing could very easily be other fly species and not BSF. Starting from the time you make the food waste available it would take BSF larvae one or two weeks to become obvious in most cases. It takes four days just for the eggs to hatch and then several more before the tiny new larvae are large enough to see easily. Many common pest flies like house flies and bottle flies develop through the egg and larval stages much more quickly. In the case of bottle/blow flies the larvae even get about the same size as BSF so identifying them can take a little practice. It sounds like you&#039;ve seen BSF adults around your place so even if the larvae weren&#039;t BSF after all it should be easy for you to get started in Texas when the weather warms up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi cylyntblu,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you learned about BSF, but keep in mind that the larvae you&#8217;re seeing could very easily be other fly species and not BSF. Starting from the time you make the food waste available it would take BSF larvae one or two weeks to become obvious in most cases. It takes four days just for the eggs to hatch and then several more before the tiny new larvae are large enough to see easily. Many common pest flies like house flies and bottle flies develop through the egg and larval stages much more quickly. In the case of bottle/blow flies the larvae even get about the same size as BSF so identifying them can take a little practice. It sounds like you&#8217;ve seen BSF adults around your place so even if the larvae weren&#8217;t BSF after all it should be easy for you to get started in Texas when the weather warms up.</p>
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		<title>By: cylyntblu</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>cylyntblu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello i&#039;m new here and i live in texas and alot of times i leave trash in my back yard(scraps and all) just to come back a few days later and see larvae climbing all threw the bags and my mind would go ussshhhh and all that time i never new that it was something that can be used for food (fish,chicken-etc.) i also thought bsf was a wasp and would hotshot them to death---so thanks for the information and i will be starting a colony this years---godbless cylyntblu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello i&#8217;m new here and i live in texas and alot of times i leave trash in my back yard(scraps and all) just to come back a few days later and see larvae climbing all threw the bags and my mind would go ussshhhh and all that time i never new that it was something that can be used for food (fish,chicken-etc.) i also thought bsf was a wasp and would hotshot them to death&#8212;so thanks for the information and i will be starting a colony this years&#8212;godbless cylyntblu</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

My guess is that the worms don&#039;t attract the BSF, but the food you&#039;re giving to the worms does attract them. 

If you do see BSF in your area please try to get photos. Colorado doesn&#039;t seem to be a likely place for BSF, but you never know. Keep in mind that there are over 100,000 species of flies, so the presence of fly larvae in a worm bin isn&#039;t conclusive. BSF would be one of the more likely species I would expect to see in a worm bin, but the altitude in Colorado brings it into doubt. We&#039;re still learning a lot about BSF and if you can get a positive ID up in the mountains it might be helpful. 

Here is a quote from Robert at ProtaCulture, the distributor for BioPods. Robert has worked with BSF for years and helped design the BioPod:



&lt;blockquote&gt;So How do you know if you have a native population?

1) If there are grubs present in compost bins, worm bins, outdoor toilets, etc at any time during the year

2) Hardiness zone 9 - 10: Presence should be year round, although it&#039;s always harder to get a colony started when average minimum temperatures drop below 55 degrees.

3) Hardiness zone 5-8: Do not attempt to start a colony during winter time. Most people should start a colony from the end of april to summer. The colder you local minimum temperatures the later in the year. ( a good indicator is to ask a local honey bee farmer around what time of year the honey bees get active and leave the hive)

4) Check your local weather service and find out what the minimum average temperature is for your zipcode. Although you might be in the correct hardiness zone, local microclimate conditions might be colder then 55 degrees.

5) Check your altitude ... Although possible, native adult grubs are hard to observe at altitudes above 5000 ft (1500 meters)&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Source: http://thebiopod.com/forum/index.php?topic=110.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>My guess is that the worms don&#8217;t attract the BSF, but the food you&#8217;re giving to the worms does attract them. </p>
<p>If you do see BSF in your area please try to get photos. Colorado doesn&#8217;t seem to be a likely place for BSF, but you never know. Keep in mind that there are over 100,000 species of flies, so the presence of fly larvae in a worm bin isn&#8217;t conclusive. BSF would be one of the more likely species I would expect to see in a worm bin, but the altitude in Colorado brings it into doubt. We&#8217;re still learning a lot about BSF and if you can get a positive ID up in the mountains it might be helpful. </p>
<p>Here is a quote from Robert at ProtaCulture, the distributor for BioPods. Robert has worked with BSF for years and helped design the BioPod:</p>
<blockquote><p>So How do you know if you have a native population?</p>
<p>1) If there are grubs present in compost bins, worm bins, outdoor toilets, etc at any time during the year</p>
<p>2) Hardiness zone 9 &#8211; 10: Presence should be year round, although it&#8217;s always harder to get a colony started when average minimum temperatures drop below 55 degrees.</p>
<p>3) Hardiness zone 5-8: Do not attempt to start a colony during winter time. Most people should start a colony from the end of april to summer. The colder you local minimum temperatures the later in the year. ( a good indicator is to ask a local honey bee farmer around what time of year the honey bees get active and leave the hive)</p>
<p>4) Check your local weather service and find out what the minimum average temperature is for your zipcode. Although you might be in the correct hardiness zone, local microclimate conditions might be colder then 55 degrees.</p>
<p>5) Check your altitude &#8230; Although possible, native adult grubs are hard to observe at altitudes above 5000 ft (1500 meters)</p></blockquote>
<p>Source: <a href="http://thebiopod.com/forum/index.php?topic=110.0" rel="nofollow">http://thebiopod.com/forum/index.php?topic=110.0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ferrone</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ferrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone confirm that red worms help to attract BSF?

I am in Colorado and have been Vermicomposting for one year.  I didn&#039;t think that we had BSF here or maybe just not in the city (Denver) BUT..................

I remember last summer I gave a friend of mine a small &#039;demo&#039; vermicomposting bucket and in a few weeks he had &#039;maggots&#039; ...so sad I didn&#039;t know what they were.

Anyways, I remembered all of this last night and added a small box of worms and protective food-bedding (cardboard, coir and fall leafs) to my &#039;bait box&#039; that has been out for about 4 days.

I would really like to purchase and distribute the BioPod!  I wonder how farmers would respond to having a &#039;traveling decompiculture expert&#039; work at the farm for a few weeks setting up systems...

not that I&#039;m an expert.......yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone confirm that red worms help to attract BSF?</p>
<p>I am in Colorado and have been Vermicomposting for one year.  I didn&#8217;t think that we had BSF here or maybe just not in the city (Denver) BUT&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I remember last summer I gave a friend of mine a small &#8216;demo&#8217; vermicomposting bucket and in a few weeks he had &#8216;maggots&#8217; &#8230;so sad I didn&#8217;t know what they were.</p>
<p>Anyways, I remembered all of this last night and added a small box of worms and protective food-bedding (cardboard, coir and fall leafs) to my &#8216;bait box&#8217; that has been out for about 4 days.</p>
<p>I would really like to purchase and distribute the BioPod!  I wonder how farmers would respond to having a &#8216;traveling decompiculture expert&#8217; work at the farm for a few weeks setting up systems&#8230;</p>
<p>not that I&#8217;m an expert&#8230;&#8230;.yet!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

I haven&#039;t done any research on keeping the larvae from pupating. My guess is that it would be possible by keeping them at fairly low temperatures relative to their optimal growth/development temps. The problem with refrigeration is that it normally creates too dry of an environment compared to the 70%+ that BSF need. It&#039;s also important to provide sufficient air.

I believe Dr. Olivier has recommended small wood shavings or sawdust as a bedding material for the BioPod collection bucket. In that case it helps keep the mature prepupal larvae dry enough that they can&#039;t easily escape the bucket and it gives them something to hide in. If you want to store juvenile larvae you&#039;ll need to keep them moist. It seems sawdust would also be good for that purpose but I&#039;m not certain. 

If I learn something that might help you out I&#039;ll send you an email.

Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done any research on keeping the larvae from pupating. My guess is that it would be possible by keeping them at fairly low temperatures relative to their optimal growth/development temps. The problem with refrigeration is that it normally creates too dry of an environment compared to the 70%+ that BSF need. It&#8217;s also important to provide sufficient air.</p>
<p>I believe Dr. Olivier has recommended small wood shavings or sawdust as a bedding material for the BioPod collection bucket. In that case it helps keep the mature prepupal larvae dry enough that they can&#8217;t easily escape the bucket and it gives them something to hide in. If you want to store juvenile larvae you&#8217;ll need to keep them moist. It seems sawdust would also be good for that purpose but I&#8217;m not certain. </p>
<p>If I learn something that might help you out I&#8217;ll send you an email.</p>
<p>Jerry</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello,
        a few questions if no one minds, I&#039;m interested in in bsfl for animal feed and bait.working on sustainable homesteading and maybe some income. ok thats the why.  
       now the questions I cant find any info on keeping larva from pupateing or how long you can keep them in this state(for bait and live feeders)and what substrate to keep them in either???
having animals this would be ideal way to dispose of there waste.(pigs,sheep,goats,chickens and other poultry.) as well as the slaughter by products.. (the rabbit dropings/bsfl castings will be used for night crawlers and wigglers )
thank you for any insight in to this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello,<br />
        a few questions if no one minds, I&#8217;m interested in in bsfl for animal feed and bait.working on sustainable homesteading and maybe some income. ok thats the why.<br />
       now the questions I cant find any info on keeping larva from pupateing or how long you can keep them in this state(for bait and live feeders)and what substrate to keep them in either???<br />
having animals this would be ideal way to dispose of there waste.(pigs,sheep,goats,chickens and other poultry.) as well as the slaughter by products.. (the rabbit dropings/bsfl castings will be used for night crawlers and wigglers )<br />
thank you for any insight in to this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, BSF larvae are much larger than house fly larvae. There are other species of flies that also produce large larvae so the best way to confirm that you have black soldier flies is to identify the adult fly. That should be easy if you take your time because BSF will eventually land near the food that&#039;s attracting them and you can usually get within a few feet of them. You can tell if they are BSF by their white legs.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/logo-bsf-bmp.bmp&quot; alt=&quot;Adult black soldier fly&quot; /&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, BSF larvae are much larger than house fly larvae. There are other species of flies that also produce large larvae so the best way to confirm that you have black soldier flies is to identify the adult fly. That should be easy if you take your time because BSF will eventually land near the food that&#8217;s attracting them and you can usually get within a few feet of them. You can tell if they are BSF by their white legs.</p>
<p><img src="http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/logo-bsf-bmp.bmp" alt="Adult black soldier fly" /></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/28/attracting-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After looking at your blog here, I think I do have them here. I was watching what I think was a BSF. It was hard to see it was buzzing around so fast.

I was wondering how can I tell the maggots apart, BSF from house flies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After looking at your blog here, I think I do have them here. I was watching what I think was a BSF. It was hard to see it was buzzing around so fast.</p>
<p>I was wondering how can I tell the maggots apart, BSF from house flies?</p>
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