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	<title>Comments on: Timing the transition-larva to adult black soldier fly</title>
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	<description>Bio-Composting with Black Soldier Fly larvae - Fascinating, Responsible and Rewarding</description>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,ok..hmmm.Fair enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,ok..hmmm.Fair enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, 

I&#039;m not sure you understood my point. I didn&#039;t say it&#039;s not feasible to work with a storage bin; in fact it&#039;s the most common container used by myself and others. The only issue with them is that making a ramp system with rigid pipe takes a higher level of expertise than my bucket design. I&#039;ve made very effective units with rectangular storage bins and someday when I refine the design a bit more and I&#039;ll publish directions to build one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure you understood my point. I didn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s not feasible to work with a storage bin; in fact it&#8217;s the most common container used by myself and others. The only issue with them is that making a ramp system with rigid pipe takes a higher level of expertise than my bucket design. I&#8217;ve made very effective units with rectangular storage bins and someday when I refine the design a bit more and I&#8217;ll publish directions to build one.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I may be FORCED to build my own as there are currently no Australian distributers available [Circle 3 is,apparently looking for another OZ distributor.] I have yet to hear back from other US dealerships, but Catawba Coops wanted US$215.94 just for shipping, and the unit itself is &quot;ONLY&quot; worth US$189.50 = OUCH BIGTIME!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I may be FORCED to build my own as there are currently no Australian distributers available [Circle 3 is,apparently looking for another OZ distributor.] I have yet to hear back from other US dealerships, but Catawba Coops wanted US$215.94 just for shipping, and the unit itself is &#8220;ONLY&#8221; worth US$189.50 = OUCH BIGTIME!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,again.Point taken...However the new Biopod Plus is square/rectangular....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,again.Point taken&#8230;However the new Biopod Plus is square/rectangular&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon,

Thanks for positive feedback.

Myself and others have worked with rectangular storage bins and pvc pipe ramps some of which can be found online. It can work, but in practice I think it&#039;s more challenging to build than the bucket composter. The adjustments needed with the bucket ramp system are minor and only necessary once or twice a week usually. A sketch is a good starting point but the behavior of the larvae often causes unforeseen issues. The only reliable way to know if a design has merit is to test it with a colony. I look forward to more people working on DIY designs and I hope you have success with yours.

A potato sack might work; I would probably try several layers and also loosely stitching them together. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon,</p>
<p>Thanks for positive feedback.</p>
<p>Myself and others have worked with rectangular storage bins and pvc pipe ramps some of which can be found online. It can work, but in practice I think it&#8217;s more challenging to build than the bucket composter. The adjustments needed with the bucket ramp system are minor and only necessary once or twice a week usually. A sketch is a good starting point but the behavior of the larvae often causes unforeseen issues. The only reliable way to know if a design has merit is to test it with a colony. I look forward to more people working on DIY designs and I hope you have success with yours.</p>
<p>A potato sack might work; I would probably try several layers and also loosely stitching them together.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried using an old potato sack [you know the old fashioned material type,] as a bottom filter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried using an old potato sack [you know the old fashioned material type,] as a bottom filter?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if that last post was verbose or confusing.All I was trying to say is why not just get any old plastic storage type box and some rigid plastic piping and imitate what&#039;s been done commercially internally with the new BioPod Plus.This [in theory at least,]should get round the problem of the fiddly bits with the current design (ie. funnels, floppy tubing and magnets and maybe all the fiddling and adjusting that that particular set up may involve.) I&#039;ll try and see if I can post some sketches through..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if that last post was verbose or confusing.All I was trying to say is why not just get any old plastic storage type box and some rigid plastic piping and imitate what&#8217;s been done commercially internally with the new BioPod Plus.This [in theory at least,]should get round the problem of the fiddly bits with the current design (ie. funnels, floppy tubing and magnets and maybe all the fiddling and adjusting that that particular set up may involve.) I&#8217;ll try and see if I can post some sketches through..</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly..well done on this site! Creative and inspiring! Another possibility is also not working with a circular bucket but a SQUARE plastic storage bin.Why bother you say? Answer = Because [theoretically at least,] you can run a square type configuration of any common straight plastic piping along the inside of the box without the problem of having to bend it to fit a round walled container, as you might with a bucket.You just get required length of hard type plumbing type piping to run the inside perimeter of the box, to make an internal square or rectangular &quot;frame&quot;.But using piping cut in half so that you have an open ramp effect.Basically you&#039;re imitating part of the internal wall ramp of the new commercially produced BioPod Plus,[which, note,is also square,] but the bug &quot;ramp&quot;/escape highway is made from added piping [cut in half] rather than of course being moulded into the side of the container walls itself.This square [or rectagular..depending on shape of plastic box being used,] could then be &quot;propped&quot; on one side of the frame that, again it runs at an angle,simular again to the newwer BioPod Plus ramp internal configuration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly..well done on this site! Creative and inspiring! Another possibility is also not working with a circular bucket but a SQUARE plastic storage bin.Why bother you say? Answer = Because [theoretically at least,] you can run a square type configuration of any common straight plastic piping along the inside of the box without the problem of having to bend it to fit a round walled container, as you might with a bucket.You just get required length of hard type plumbing type piping to run the inside perimeter of the box, to make an internal square or rectangular &#8220;frame&#8221;.But using piping cut in half so that you have an open ramp effect.Basically you&#8217;re imitating part of the internal wall ramp of the new commercially produced BioPod Plus,[which, note,is also square,] but the bug &#8220;ramp&#8221;/escape highway is made from added piping [cut in half] rather than of course being moulded into the side of the container walls itself.This square [or rectagular..depending on shape of plastic box being used,] could then be &#8220;propped&#8221; on one side of the frame that, again it runs at an angle,simular again to the newwer BioPod Plus ramp internal configuration.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Olivier</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Olivier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,

I read an Australian study that discovered that  soldier grubs can break down meats faster then any regular composting bin if the % meat in the waste remains below 5%. The moment you add more than 5% per day of meats the meats seem to break down more slowly. At 10% meat per day there seems to be no difference between the grubs and the regular compost bin.

However, those are daily percentages. If you add 10% one day and add no meat the next you should be fine. Therefore your notion of 20% seems logical, as it would take 4 days to brake down. Anything mor than 4 days can start supporting blow flies.

I wouldn&#039;t put any meets during bating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>I read an Australian study that discovered that  soldier grubs can break down meats faster then any regular composting bin if the % meat in the waste remains below 5%. The moment you add more than 5% per day of meats the meats seem to break down more slowly. At 10% meat per day there seems to be no difference between the grubs and the regular compost bin.</p>
<p>However, those are daily percentages. If you add 10% one day and add no meat the next you should be fine. Therefore your notion of 20% seems logical, as it would take 4 days to brake down. Anything mor than 4 days can start supporting blow flies.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t put any meets during bating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/05/30/transition-larva-to-adult-black-soldier-fly/comment-page-1/#comment-940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,

Please be careful about feeding a lot of meat to your colony. It&#039;s never a good idea to have meat sitting around rotting for days so if it isn&#039;t being consumed by the larvae in about one day then I would cut back on the amount until new additions of it are gone within 24 hours. Spoiling meat is a good medium for growing botulism. This could be an issue for any animal that might eat the larvae raised on meat that developed this toxin. Processing meat is fine, but don&#039;t overdo it; I would limit the percentage of meat to vegetable matter to about 20% just to be cautious. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;There’s still some solid stuff in there that’s old.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what that means, but I would dispose of any animal product that remains uneaten after 24 hours. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Should it be totally liquid before I add more food.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think a BSF unit should ever contain waste that is totally liquid. Your BSF unit should have a drainage system that allows liquids to pass through quickly leaving the waste pile damp but not wet. A flooded BSF colony can become anaerobic which, if not corrected can lead to a crash of the system. 

Based on your comments I can&#039;t imagine that your colony is healthy or balanced, and I don&#039;t expect it to remain functional for long. I recommend that you; remove and dispose of any uneaten meat, reduce the quantity of meat that you process to 20% of the total waste, add shredded office paper, sawdust, or wood shavings to absorb excess liquids. Please keep in mind that any bad odors are sign that your system needs attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>Please be careful about feeding a lot of meat to your colony. It&#8217;s never a good idea to have meat sitting around rotting for days so if it isn&#8217;t being consumed by the larvae in about one day then I would cut back on the amount until new additions of it are gone within 24 hours. Spoiling meat is a good medium for growing botulism. This could be an issue for any animal that might eat the larvae raised on meat that developed this toxin. Processing meat is fine, but don&#8217;t overdo it; I would limit the percentage of meat to vegetable matter to about 20% just to be cautious. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There’s still some solid stuff in there that’s old.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what that means, but I would dispose of any animal product that remains uneaten after 24 hours. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Should it be totally liquid before I add more food.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a BSF unit should ever contain waste that is totally liquid. Your BSF unit should have a drainage system that allows liquids to pass through quickly leaving the waste pile damp but not wet. A flooded BSF colony can become anaerobic which, if not corrected can lead to a crash of the system. </p>
<p>Based on your comments I can&#8217;t imagine that your colony is healthy or balanced, and I don&#8217;t expect it to remain functional for long. I recommend that you; remove and dispose of any uneaten meat, reduce the quantity of meat that you process to 20% of the total waste, add shredded office paper, sawdust, or wood shavings to absorb excess liquids. Please keep in mind that any bad odors are sign that your system needs attention.</p>
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