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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/07/29/the-problem-with-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another great comment Frugal. I live in the southeastern US where BSF were usually found in outhouses when they were common. This benefited both people and BSF because the larvae had a steady supply of food and at the same time they repelled disease carrying species that would otherwise be present in large numbers. Of course the BSF also reduced the volume of the excrement and limited bad odors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another great comment Frugal. I live in the southeastern US where BSF were usually found in outhouses when they were common. This benefited both people and BSF because the larvae had a steady supply of food and at the same time they repelled disease carrying species that would otherwise be present in large numbers. Of course the BSF also reduced the volume of the excrement and limited bad odors.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Que</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/07/29/the-problem-with-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal Que</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to add my two cents regarding BSFs and human excrement.  

We practice the humanure toilet method in our home and put ALL our human waste in our compost bin.  We use the basic Joseph Jenkins five gallon bucket method (super easy, efficient and comfortable). 

The BSFs we have flourish in it.  We just add our food scraps and have access to spent brewery hops so our compost piles are very hot.  We don&#039;t have a problem with any excess moisture that the BSFs might generate since it is an outside compost pile anyway and the moisture is good for it.

In  fact, we heat our greenhouse by our outdoor compost piles.  No electricity at all needed for heat.  Hope that gives you some idea of the heat generated and the efficient use of the BSF in getting rid of human excrement and in generating heat.  

Of course, I do want to point out that our piles were hot before the BSFs, enough to heat our greenhouse but the BSFs sure haven&#039;t hurt anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to add my two cents regarding BSFs and human excrement.  </p>
<p>We practice the humanure toilet method in our home and put ALL our human waste in our compost bin.  We use the basic Joseph Jenkins five gallon bucket method (super easy, efficient and comfortable). </p>
<p>The BSFs we have flourish in it.  We just add our food scraps and have access to spent brewery hops so our compost piles are very hot.  We don&#8217;t have a problem with any excess moisture that the BSFs might generate since it is an outside compost pile anyway and the moisture is good for it.</p>
<p>In  fact, we heat our greenhouse by our outdoor compost piles.  No electricity at all needed for heat.  Hope that gives you some idea of the heat generated and the efficient use of the BSF in getting rid of human excrement and in generating heat.  </p>
<p>Of course, I do want to point out that our piles were hot before the BSFs, enough to heat our greenhouse but the BSFs sure haven&#8217;t hurt anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/07/29/the-problem-with-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frenchy,

I hope you do something with BSF and please keep me posted on your progress. You might give Robert a call at ProtaCulture. They’re the distributors for the BioPod. You can call their office in Texas @ 214.306.8740</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frenchy,</p>
<p>I hope you do something with BSF and please keep me posted on your progress. You might give Robert a call at ProtaCulture. They’re the distributors for the BioPod. You can call their office in Texas @ 214.306.8740</p>
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		<title>By: Frenchy</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/07/29/the-problem-with-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Frenchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have an email for them by any chance? Calling can add up quickly!!



&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course! :) info@thebiopod.com &lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have an email for them by any chance? Calling can add up quickly!!</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course! <img src='http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <a href="mailto:info@thebiopod.com">info@thebiopod.com</a> </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Frenchy</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/07/29/the-problem-with-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Frenchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I currently live in Costa Rica, Central America going on 4 years now. Moved down here from CT on the east coast of the states. I learned about the BSF via investigations Im doing for alternative food source for a tilapia farm Im planning to install. I was hoping there was a method of becoming the representative for the bio pod product here in Central America, it can really benefit not only the farmers etc but also those who cant afford the service of having their garbage hauled away. Who knows, maybe I can set up a network of &quot;customers&quot; that will allow me to place my biopods in their premises to raise BSF&#039;s in exchange they can place their scraps in the bucket!! Great concept!!! If anyone can assist me in getting set up as a rep for the company I would greatly appreciate it!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently live in Costa Rica, Central America going on 4 years now. Moved down here from CT on the east coast of the states. I learned about the BSF via investigations Im doing for alternative food source for a tilapia farm Im planning to install. I was hoping there was a method of becoming the representative for the bio pod product here in Central America, it can really benefit not only the farmers etc but also those who cant afford the service of having their garbage hauled away. Who knows, maybe I can set up a network of &#8220;customers&#8221; that will allow me to place my biopods in their premises to raise BSF&#8217;s in exchange they can place their scraps in the bucket!! Great concept!!! If anyone can assist me in getting set up as a rep for the company I would greatly appreciate it!!</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine does mission work in Mexico.  I told him that way (BSF) of handling human waste would save valuble resoursces of both water, food for livestock and the infrastructure to build a waste handling system that they don&#039;t have the money for.  I would also divert water towards a much better use.  

Water is a huge issue right here in the states.  We think we should be able to waste water throughout the states  cause it&#039;s plentiful when it&#039;s not.  

Can&#039;t wait to get my own biopod.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Hi Jeff,

One of the most wasteful things a person can do is flush a toilet. Of course we need to safely process our waste, but contaminating two or more gallons of potable water with each use is highly inefficient. 

Dr. Olivier, the inventor of the BioPod has worked in Brazil and Vietnam to address the issues you bring up. You may find this article interesting:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nabuur.com/files/attach/2008/07/task/11281_46dfe83eeb5ff.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Proposal for the Elimination of Landfill in Vietnam - by Dr. Paul Olivier&lt;/a&gt;

Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine does mission work in Mexico.  I told him that way (BSF) of handling human waste would save valuble resoursces of both water, food for livestock and the infrastructure to build a waste handling system that they don&#8217;t have the money for.  I would also divert water towards a much better use.  </p>
<p>Water is a huge issue right here in the states.  We think we should be able to waste water throughout the states  cause it&#8217;s plentiful when it&#8217;s not.  </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to get my own biopod.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>One of the most wasteful things a person can do is flush a toilet. Of course we need to safely process our waste, but contaminating two or more gallons of potable water with each use is highly inefficient. </p>
<p>Dr. Olivier, the inventor of the BioPod has worked in Brazil and Vietnam to address the issues you bring up. You may find this article interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nabuur.com/files/attach/2008/07/task/11281_46dfe83eeb5ff.pdf" rel="nofollow">A Proposal for the Elimination of Landfill in Vietnam &#8211; by Dr. Paul Olivier</a></p>
<p>Jerry</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/2008/07/29/the-problem-with-black-soldier-flies/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, the thread you mentioned from the Pond Boss forum was started by me when I first discovered BSF. I still post there regularly, but my main focus has become this blog.

You may find the following link interesting. It&#039;s author is Dr. Olivier, the BioPod inventor. 

http://www.esrint.com/pages/bioconversion.html

At very end of the page you will see a reference to urine diverting toilets. Dr. Olivier has worked with the governments of a few countries on programs that address the processing of human waste. I believe his position is that these developing countries don&#039;t need to invest in an expensive sewer system like ours which mixes potable water with feces and urine. Instead a family could operate a BSF bio-conversion unit that would handle all putrescent waste and produce valuable larvae as a byproduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, the thread you mentioned from the Pond Boss forum was started by me when I first discovered BSF. I still post there regularly, but my main focus has become this blog.</p>
<p>You may find the following link interesting. It&#8217;s author is Dr. Olivier, the BioPod inventor. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.esrint.com/pages/bioconversion.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.esrint.com/pages/bioconversion.html</a></p>
<p>At very end of the page you will see a reference to urine diverting toilets. Dr. Olivier has worked with the governments of a few countries on programs that address the processing of human waste. I believe his position is that these developing countries don&#8217;t need to invest in an expensive sewer system like ours which mixes potable water with feces and urine. Instead a family could operate a BSF bio-conversion unit that would handle all putrescent waste and produce valuable larvae as a byproduct.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael May</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mosey,

From what I&#039;ve read the liquefaction is largely caused by the presence of urine.  At a blog called pond boss (I presume you&#039;ve seen it) the person writing the thread on BSFL described his experiments feeding BSFL, including dry hog feed.  While others have written in mentioning all the &quot;worm tea&quot; the BSFL produce, it&#039;s clear that that is largely a factor of the water content of the food.  The BSFL fed dry hog feed didn&#039;t produce &quot;tea&quot;.  Feces separated from urine, or a system which allows the liquids to drain out could provide a drier medium that wouldn&#039;t lead to um turd soup.

Ideally, a BSF process for dealing with human excrement in the developing world would be more contained than the floor of a livestock pen.  Unlike livestock, we try not to walk around in our own excrement.  And we can control the moisture by adding fluffing material or removing the moisture.

I&#039;ve not been able to locate any information on the use of BSFL in human excrement processing, but if a system could be developed and introduced to developing countries where sanitary standards are abysmal, this could be a good way to cut the volume of and problems associated with human waste.  Admittedly, my comment is speculative, so if anyone has actual information, I&#039;d be interested in seeing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mosey,</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read the liquefaction is largely caused by the presence of urine.  At a blog called pond boss (I presume you&#8217;ve seen it) the person writing the thread on BSFL described his experiments feeding BSFL, including dry hog feed.  While others have written in mentioning all the &#8220;worm tea&#8221; the BSFL produce, it&#8217;s clear that that is largely a factor of the water content of the food.  The BSFL fed dry hog feed didn&#8217;t produce &#8220;tea&#8221;.  Feces separated from urine, or a system which allows the liquids to drain out could provide a drier medium that wouldn&#8217;t lead to um turd soup.</p>
<p>Ideally, a BSF process for dealing with human excrement in the developing world would be more contained than the floor of a livestock pen.  Unlike livestock, we try not to walk around in our own excrement.  And we can control the moisture by adding fluffing material or removing the moisture.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not been able to locate any information on the use of BSFL in human excrement processing, but if a system could be developed and introduced to developing countries where sanitary standards are abysmal, this could be a good way to cut the volume of and problems associated with human waste.  Admittedly, my comment is speculative, so if anyone has actual information, I&#8217;d be interested in seeing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is indeed the worst rendering of a black soldier fly I&#039;ve seen to date. 

It&#039;s a common observation that BSF larvae liquefy manure as they process it, but if properly managed the benefits seem to outweigh the obstacles. The most significant point is that BSF limit the presence of disease carrying houseflies, and there are ways around the problem of liquefaction, at least on a commercial scale. Designs have been tested at both poultry and swine operations using BSF larvae to reduce manure with good results. I think the urine is separated from the manure to reduce liquefaction. There&#039;s also the side benefit of harvesting the mature larvae and feeding them to the animals that created the manure. Here&#039;s a link that I believe address some of these issues:

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/waste_mgt/smithfield_projects/phase2report05/cd,web%20files/A2.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is indeed the worst rendering of a black soldier fly I&#8217;ve seen to date. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a common observation that BSF larvae liquefy manure as they process it, but if properly managed the benefits seem to outweigh the obstacles. The most significant point is that BSF limit the presence of disease carrying houseflies, and there are ways around the problem of liquefaction, at least on a commercial scale. Designs have been tested at both poultry and swine operations using BSF larvae to reduce manure with good results. I think the urine is separated from the manure to reduce liquefaction. There&#8217;s also the side benefit of harvesting the mature larvae and feeding them to the animals that created the manure. Here&#8217;s a link that I believe address some of these issues:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/waste_mgt/smithfield_projects/phase2report05/cd,web%20files/A2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/waste_mgt/smithfield_projects/phase2report05/cd,web%20files/A2.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mosey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mosey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was googling &#039;Black Soldier Fly&#039; and came across one site &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flycontrol.novartis.co.uk/species/soldierfly/en/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (it&#039;s a fly control company I think)  - the picture doesn&#039;t look very much like the BSF that one sees here... (shorter body?) so I&#039;m a bit confused. 

It does mention that the presence of  BSF larvae seems to help reduce the numbers of &#039;house fly&#039; larvae. But it also mentions something about the &#039;manure&#039; being liquefied, except it doesn&#039;t put it in such a positive light as Michael May put in his comment (and the comment made on the NYtimes blog site) since it says that it makes it &#039;difficult to remove&#039; and &#039;may block up walkways (in the poultry house&#039;&#039;.

Any thoughts? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was googling &#8216;Black Soldier Fly&#8217; and came across one site <a href="http://www.flycontrol.novartis.co.uk/species/soldierfly/en/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a> (it&#8217;s a fly control company I think)  &#8211; the picture doesn&#8217;t look very much like the BSF that one sees here&#8230; (shorter body?) so I&#8217;m a bit confused. </p>
<p>It does mention that the presence of  BSF larvae seems to help reduce the numbers of &#8216;house fly&#8217; larvae. But it also mentions something about the &#8216;manure&#8217; being liquefied, except it doesn&#8217;t put it in such a positive light as Michael May put in his comment (and the comment made on the NYtimes blog site) since it says that it makes it &#8216;difficult to remove&#8217; and &#8216;may block up walkways (in the poultry house&#8221;.</p>
<p>Any thoughts? <img src='http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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