I started this topic so I could move posts from mooochooo's thread in the introduction section to a more appropriate area of the forum. Here is a quote from mooochooo's first post where he describes his system:


Here is my reply and below that are comments which have been moved from the original thread:

Thanks for sharing the photos mooochooo.

My first thought looking at your set up is that you do have an excessive amount of food for 1000 larvae. One apple would probably feed them for several days.

maybe a gamma ray generator.

so they turn green and big.



technically, 1000 is a guess. They are getting big though. I plan to post some photos shortly of the actual grubs.

Haha, is that a baby playpen? That's actualy a great idea. And full of babies too.

apro-pro

Was frustrated a little bit about getting a terrarium and having to deal with the local knuckleheads.

There are a lot of used ones around here where city-idiots
get reptiles then eventually don't want to take care of them.
or just move... i see it as a lifelong obligation though.
maybe that's another reason "why BSF?" A: a short lifecycle.

terrariums,
some BEAUTIFUL HUGE ones:
Do you want to raise BSF grubs in the most beautiful terrarium?
Amazing lights, heating, running water, a complete environment...
a major cost/expense though.

I have a rule that the more crap you have the worse life is.
Try not to own/possess so much crap.

So after head-banging then letting-go...
got no-where with a used terrarium except that I got a better concept in my mind of what was going to meet the needs..

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you guessed it.
it's a chicco playpen

i had some guy really really help me out although I can barely stand to listen to him:
telementation is the process of bringing our chest/feelings/heart (the same reference)
into alignment with whatever we 'think' we want (or visa versa maybe depends on your opinion)
it has to do with 'getting the opinion of the feelings'
believe this can help each of us raise better bsf and
overall have a better life

... in any case, telementation is a discipline of the emotions,
'emotional management.'
and then whatever we experience and sync our emotions with:
BAM it happens.

So, after going through a thorough feeling-process of the terrarium,
letting it go and going out, then walking back to where I was staying I saw the chicco-brand playpen,
and yes, it was a stretch although I 'forced' myself past what is left of my priest-programming. Brought it upstairs.

It's got a pad on the bottom, and it's essentially waterproof,
although all the grubs are in separate trays above the surface.

On the left is a laundry basket with a 80liter plastic bag lining,
on the right is a bread tray which has much shorter sides, with the same type of plastic bag liner. And
in the middle is the 'old' fishtank. i left the 'old' gravel on the bottom. ~30 liters I think.

All fit in the playpen fine.

Suspended across the top is a fluorescent cool white lamp with fully electronic starter/balast. ~16 watts.
Got that from some guy who was moving out as part of a collection of the last of his stuff.
was half the cost of a sandwich.

So lets see the 'parts list'
laundry basket - free picked up outside, someone giving it away,
fish tank - already had, gravel also
bread rack - already had, you end up with one or two of these at some point if you do anything with community projects that always seem to have a stack of these, as they get free bread from the bakeries, and dried bread makes good 'coal' for ovens during the winter
chicco playpen - like 'new', no mechanical defects. someone left it out on the sidewalk, again free. probably the little one was too big, these only work for about 6 months. Some woman who you know, had to have all the junk...
grubs - about a silver dollar's worth
lamp -
jute rope holding lamp - freely available, dunno from where, inherited from something else, rustic, I'm sure the BSF adults will like sitting on it.
blue cotton cover - dunno, had it around.
dried plant - picked it up out of a container.
timer for lamp - had already

so the whole setup is really cost-free if you keep telling yourself this and putting your chest in the location where you really can accept that life doesn't cost 'money', it was created (the world) then given to you free in trust.

The above philosophy helps a lot, whereas others might believe 'OH it costs so much and I have to have this and that and the other thing (in terms of materialism always is the process conceived, and this hypnotism FROM the priests, of 'depending on the priests who make the 'money'', from the priests who make the propaganda, is intentionally self-limiting to the wards who practice it...so, you know - let's break out! so more of us can enjoy the good feelings of having BSF).

I see people on here getting a BSF unit for the equivalent of four silver dollars with shipping, and ya know... that's fine for them I'm not judging them for it. If we start though with a network of sending others BSF for the cost of shipping, or getting them from the environment... this is going to really cut out of the commercial (materialistic) aspect of it, for those of us who go that route.

When I get some hatchlings I'll be able to send them around the mainland european area for low cost although this is not to compete with the people who do it commercially. I'm not doing that particular option to buy and sell or for business, so for those 'demanding' people I'll just send them to the retail websites. We'll see how it goes. One day is only today, only right now.

Had this adult recently emerged from pupation?

it's a closed cage, couldn't of arrived from anywhere else.
and yeah, I took the picture of the first adult and uploaded right after. So you can work back on to when I started the thread, to the day I uploaded the post with the close-up of the adult. There's lots of adults in there now, dozens.
They are sprayed with H2O periodically, and other than that, keep adding food to the trays.
The remaining grubs ate some turkey wieners and 'tea-wurst' the other day,
and today they had organic cherries.
All the food is organic.

I've a UV bug light on order, and it'll go outside the cage. Zap the unwanted neighbourhood flies from the idiots or zombies, that can't pick up after their dogs, or figure out how to close the trash properly. The UV light should help the adults get happy and start mating more often.

http://vimeo.com/24956728

Vimeo video, password is BSF

stripped out the audio as there was only camera noise. it's a cheap POS canon brand camera.
I'm waiting until they make them out of titanium before i get another.

the sig had to be condensed, and it ended up being a bunch of disconnected nonsense, chopping off bits.

to shed light on the intention, to show how BSF fits in, the original intention was:

people as citizens, are the lowest-ranking employees of the corporation called a Country (a Country is literally a corporation, listed on dunn and bradstreets).

So what is nice about BSF (in relationship), is BSF cultivation brings us closer to an aspect of natural law which is thriving and living, full of life and creation. So, at present as some of us are close to the current situations of a city environment, the living BSF is a way to show one can:

A) recycle waste effectively,
B) create a feed source for quail, or reptiles, or fish in a small aquaculture (fresh fish in apartment! That would be REALLY CRAZY!! )
C) possibly have a flow of funds (currency) for same-and-related research projects. By giving away the grubs and taking donations, again: not BUSINESS! Business, or commerce (Buying and Selling), is construed to be within the County (which is dead), and this whole experiment is to show what we can do, as full responsible living people, outside of zombie-ville, or 'pretend-land'.

I heard recently the quote: "What is the difference between the State and the tooth fairy?" lol both are dead/imaginary/fictions. So as we believe, so as we are.


Cultivating plants and BSF and other simple living creatures, gives me faith that being surrounded by 'shoe-boxes' is not forever. Some people like dogs, but BSF I can simply let go, and they re-populate the area happily.

if you are on the mainland, and want some bsf, pm me.

Hello!

Your project was what got me actually decided to try out cultivating BSFL

I would really appreciate if you could send me some larvae so i could get my starter colony going, as BSFL are not found this far north. But i cannot find the PM function on this forum... maybe it is disabled?

You can read more about my plans in my introduction thread, or feel free to ask anything

Click on the link at the top left corner of every page where it probably says "0 new messages" or you can use this link.

Hi-hi; updates.

vknn:
I get an email message when you PM. The PM button is at the bottom of the posts - as borealwormer wrote. Thank you boreal. And did you make a blog with a link back to this thread? I saw one last month. If not there were two people who we know, you and the blog-maker, which means 10 people we don't know also, or more. Gratitude to you, the blogger.

Lots and lots of BSF. I've had to reduce some baskets by placing some outside in buckets.

Clear this - the offer for BSF is channeled only through private trusts, for charitable relief and for private health research, to help both private people, and the land, something which cannot be done in the public jurisdiction (la la land as I call it) so we, you and I, must do it privately to give it substance. We are not involved commercially in 'buying' or 'selling' as defined in the public. It is give-give. 4€ postage locally, and I can send more than a kilo which is plenty to get started. 10€ for international tracked, limited to about 800 grams as the packaging brings weight up to a kilo. Anything above those amounts is considered a donation to the above.

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Without intention to rant, you can laugh? Maybe? If we lost our sense of humor, we are doomed until we get it back!

A few weeks ago, I offered BSF larvae, a whole basket, a great commercial value if they were purchased, to an allegedly 'ascended' female running the garden at an allegedly 'ascended' ashram at the beginning of august. Fear and ignorance, and their friend - arrogance, interceded. This is one reason why I divided the numbers and put two more containers outside. The typical '3 hour meeting and we have decided nothing' norm with the local people communities (house projects), was also present and it dug me for a minute. These lot turn out to be no more ascended then a random sampling or you or I. I hope you get a good laugh about that, and consider the resistance people have to their fellow creatures, regardless of lip service.

Due to overcrowding, a lack of rotation of the grubs, the basket did smell a bit, and I thought it better to give some up rather than porch them. There was probably enough in the one gift basket for two baskets.* Naturally, upon complaining. "Do you want them to smell like Lysol(TM)" I was left thinking... and, "Have you ever been to a farm?"

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"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" - where its coming from, the heart, keep it there, in place of minor issues by the head alone, heart's gotta be strong and first in line! And got to have trust (also it's from the heart), and while wanting trust, if not seeking to give it out, means no trust within themselves, very sad but common. Voldomort didn't trust anyone either, for those of you who watched the Harry Potter movies.

Applied experience, the best teacher, and the knowledge and wisdom from searching, and people can see that in others if they learn to trust themselves; some special teachers! However the local crowd is impregnated through the sham public schools, rotten corporate edifices, licensed teachers who can't teach a frog to hop, with the idea not to trust oneself... hence '3 hour meetings and nothing is decided'. (clapping sarcastically)

If we are ever going to commune with our fellow helper bugs as neighbors... please fill in the rest of the story.

These BSF are super-friendly, having the personality of lady-bugs. I saw one have a go at a wasp - even though he had no stinger! Fight their way out of spider's webs, not always successfully.


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Basket construction:
*The baskets are the standard bread-delivery-size baskets, 60cm x 40cm, with side-walls increased. The side-wall increase is made from (used, of course!) political and advertisement posters, a kind of corrugated plastic. Slice it down along the vertical face in half, and press the pieces into the basket. Start by filling a traditional IKEA style bag first, with ~5cm of dirt, then grubs and grass and food. Slide bag inside the basket side-walls. If the side-walls are the correct height, the open corrugated edge should be as high but not higher than the IKEA bag, with the bag handles falling over the edge. The use of the bag facilitates transfer, rotation, removal, cleaning etc. Once the basket is handy (out of the CHICCO in this instance) grab the handles and shake gently, pulling the entire bag out. You have to watch, there are 'small' IKEA bags now and these are not big enough.

Ramps:
The same corrugated plastic can be formed into a half-pipe style tube, with 400 to 600-grit (less than a buck a sheet at the hardware store at the hand-tools shelf) sandpaper cut into strips to line the lowest part. This makes it easy for the mature grubs to crawl out. Instant glue and paper sandpaper seems to work best. Too high and they won't get up, too low and the immature grubs crawl out. Without sandpaper is too smooth.

The ashram already had a complete grub bin constructed of two baskets, each very tall perhaps 60cm, above another, both with drainage. There is very little run-off from the grubs, however, I don't feed them rotten food nor are they in the hot sun, the same case if they were at the ashram bins. In this case, I use solid-bottom bread-baskets, and add dry grass occasionally.

Okay.

We'll see how it goes:

http://tiny.cc/hermetiaillucens the username is bsf. The password is bsf.

Server goes down, etc. lemme know please via PM.
Once a day exactly every 24 hours, for five minutes, the backhaul is down, due to crappy as hell TCOM services.

Good stuff mooochooo Big files though. I'd like to post a smaller version of the one of your bin with netting in front of the window here in forums if that's alright?

Thanks mooochooo. I think your bin qualifies as a medium scale indoor system (it's definitely bigger than a typical terrarium)